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  • Hi there,

    I have been having a problem with Gsbr for the past week. Whatever edits I have made on the articles related to the Resident Evil 3 video game pages and two cast members on the 2020 remake keeps getting reverted by the user with little rhyme or reason other than "being incorrect." The root of the problem I am having is whatever data I write in about Neil Newbon is "incorrect" despite the fact that the actor himself did the performance capture for the titular villain Nemesis, and it's the equivalent of being the physical actor and the stunt double for the villain in question. 


    I honestly believe his reverts have been done in bad faith just for the sake of "ownership" for the Resident Evil/Biohazard franchise, and this user has been acting ignorant just to fit his semantics on what is "appropriate" for Cinemorgue. I do not edit on wikis for the purpose of misinformation. If I find someting that is accurate, I always post it whenever I get the chance. If I find something that is inaccurate, I always correct the info whenever possible.

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    • Your edit to Neil Newbon is being reverted because you keep removing the important information that his death is merely possible, not confirmed. You write his death as being a definite fact when his character's fate is actually left open-ended. To remove the fact that is fate is open-ended and the entry is included just in case is inaccurate.

      Furthermore, performance capture is not the equivalent of being the physical actor because performance capture in video games is to assist the design team in character animations during gameplay, not to actually portray the character. Yes, it is more comparable to being a stunt double and we don't give stunt doubles entries for similar reasons. The focus here is on cast, not crew, and motion capture is crew work. This is reflected on the IMDb and Wikipedia. So to add information about Newbon's crew work on his page, William Hope's page, and the Resident Evil 3 (2020) page is incorrect.

      Not only are you removing the fact that the fate of Newbon's character was left open-ended with little rhyme or reason, you are also removing that the death of Rick Zieff's character is implied, not outright stated with little rhyme or reason. You continue to remove that Roger Honeywell's death in Resident Evil 3: Nemesis (1999) is non-canon. And, with little rhyme or reason, you renamed Hope's page as "William "Bill" Hope" when "William Hope" is what he's commonly credited as.

      This was all stated to you from the start. You chose to ignore the reasons why your edits were being reverted and became insulting ("Quit censoring correct info, asshole.", "Acting is acting. Doesn’t matter what medium is, you moron."). Those are bad faith reverts and acting ignorant just to fit your semantics on what is "appropriate" for Cinemorgue. If you continue to post incorrect information and replace correct information with incorrect information, you are continuing to implement bad faith reverts.

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    • Gsbr has been making constant vandalisms to my edits, even when I am making a new entry for Resident Evil 2 (2019). Someone from administration needs to have a serious talk with this user.

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    • You are adding a death scene that does not exist on Resident Evil 2 (2019). You are removing correct information, adding incorrect information, adding superfluous information, removing necessary information, and repeatedly demonstrating disrespectful attitude. In addition to your aforementioned examples ("Quit censoring correct info, asshole.", "Acting is acting. Doesn’t matter what medium is, you moron."), here are other examples of your conduct:

      And, as your own userpage states, "Someone who strives to put in accurate data whenever possible. Has zero tolerance for ignorant idiots."

      Dibol's conduct is completely unacceptable and inappropriate for this wiki. If he cannot respect the work of other contributors, he should not be editing this wiki.

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    • Hi guys, I don't want to have to have lock any pages.  Can someone tell what exactly is being removed/added on the Resident Evil 2 & 3 pages?  

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    • Arbinoman wrote:
      Hi guys, I don't want to have to have lock any pages.  Can someone tell what exactly is being removed/added on the Resident Evil 2 & 3 pages?  

      Pages where Edit wars are involved:

      Resident Evil 3 1999 page: Gsbr constantly reverting my edits on how certain deaths occur. Affected pages: Richard Clarkin and Peter Windrem.

      Resident Evil 2 2019 pages;

      Gsbr making bad faith article edits whenever I added child actress Eliza Pryor to list of female deaths. He keeps deleting the entry despite the fact I embedded a link to a twitch stream featuring two cast members of the game and I actually timestamped the video after my last edit. GsBr made a similar vandalism on Ken Lally when I entered Pryor's name in the article.

      Resident Evil 3 2020 page:

      Gsbr keeps removing all mention of actor Neil Newbon doing the physical acting for Nemesis despite the fact that social media pages managed by the Resident Evil 3 cast confirming such information. My intention for Newbon's edit was keeping in line with a format I had with Brett Azar in his Terminator entries. This becomes egregious on both Newbon's and William Hope's articles. Gsbr also keeps removing my edited credits for William Hope despite the fact it was the screen name he used for Terminator Resistance.



      Again, Gsbr's constant revert has been going on for at least 14 hours as of today and over the course of a week.

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    • There should be no issue of mentioning Neil Newbon.  However, Eliza Pryor plays Sherry Birkin is a character that doesn't die.  Not sure why she would be listed.  Hopefully you guys can settle your issues, eitherwise we will have to lock the pages for a little bit.  

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    • Arbinoman wrote:
      There should be no issue of mentioning Neil Newbon.  However, Eliza Pryor plays Sherry Birkin is a character that doesn't die.  Not sure why she would be listed.  Hopefully you guys can settle your issues, eitherwise we will have to lock the pages for a little bit.  

      The thing Gsbr keeps deleting is Pryor also portrayed Ken Lally's on-screen daughter, Emma Kendo, which was why I added her to the list. The twitch link I mentioned has confirmation from Apostolides and Panisello that Pryor also portrayed Emma.

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    • These are the all matters of contention on the Resident Evil 2 and 3 pages:

      • Peter Windrem - Peter has two potential deaths in RE3, but only one is considered canon, which I mention in my edit. This is being removed to describe his non-canon death as being "alternative", which is not only against common formatting here - we use numbers to differentiate multiple death scenes if they all occur/can be canon - it takes out the context for readers about one death actually occurring in the game's story and one not.
      • Resident Evil 2 (2019) - I am removing Eliza Pryor from this page because Eliza does not have an actual death scene in the game. The only character Eliza actually portrayed, Sherry Birkin, survives the game. Eliza provided motion capture for Emma Kendo, who does die, but motion capture in video games is crew work mainly intended to not portray the character - the main intent is to assist the designers in animating the characters. It is comparable to stunt doubles, who are complementing the main actors and we do not add death entries for stunt doubles. It would open up a can of worms and prompt too many questions over who should and shouldn't have death entries. We stick to the actual actors to prevent this.
      • Eliza Pryor - As noted above, Eliza Pryor does not have any known death scenes and should not have a page on this wiki. Her work as Emma Kendo was motion capture work, which the IMDb and Wikipedia do not consider to be cast. The Emma Kendo death scene belongs on the page of the actual actress, who is not known.
      • Neil Newbon - My mention of Neil Newbon's RE3 character possibly being killed, not actually being killed with upmost certainty, is being removed for unknown reasons. The fate of Neil's character is left-open-ended, with no on-screen death scene or body featured, and I added it just in case. Removing this information is inaccurate and creates the impression that he definitely dies, when the game does not establish this. There is also the matter of Neil performing motion capture work as another character who dies, which I have been removing due to its status as crew work, not cast work.
      • William Hope - Like the above example, I am removing the character who kills one of William Hope's characters ("Mikhail Victor") as being portrayed by both David Cockman and Neil Newbon. The only individual who officially portrayed the character was David. There's also a matter unrelated to Resident Evil where an alternate credit name is being added to one of his death scenes, which I am removing because it is not necessary and does not benefit the purpose of this wiki.
      • Resident Evil 3: Nemesis (1999) - My mention of Roger Honeywell's death being non-canon in this game is being removed, despite the RE wiki deeming it non-canon. An unnecessary asterix guide to identity characters who have "player-determined" deaths and characters with multiple deaths is being removed by myself because this takes up space when a simple parentheses can provide this information (as is the common formatting on this wiki).
      • Richard Clarkin - I am adding numbers to differentiate his two death scenes in RE3 and attempting to keep each as their own sentence, which is the common precedent on this wiki to prevent the multiple death scenes from overlapping. This is being removed without explanation.
      • Ken Lally - I am removing mention of Eliza Pryor for the above-mentioned reasons that Eliza does not portray the daughter of Ken's character.
      • Resident Evil 3 (2020) - In addition to the matter of Neil Newbon not actually portraying the character of Nemesis, which is why I am removing it, I added the following context for readers - Neil's death is merely possible, not confirmed, and the death of Rick Zieff's character is implied, but not outright stated. This context is being removed without explanation.
      • Rick Zieff - Like mentioned above, I added the context of Rick Zieff's character having a presumed death, but not an actual death. His death is merely implied. This is being removed without explanation.
      • Christopher Mychael Watson - I added the context of Nick Apostolides or Stephanie Panisello being the player characters, which explains to readers why one of them, not both, discovers that Christopher Mychael Watson's character died and became a zombie off-screen during a playthrough. This is being removed without explanation. A mistake I made where I accidentally identified the character who bites Christopher's character as being portrayed by Adam Paul, when the actual actor is Darren O'Hare, is also being re-added.
      • Sterling Sulieman - Like William Hope, Sterling Sulieman's character is killed by David Cockman. Therefore, I am removing Neil Newbon as also killing him because Neil does not portray the character for the above reasons.
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    • Emma Kendo should be fine to be listed as she becomes a zombie.  

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    • Emma Kendo should have an entry for the actual voice actress. I am for creating a page for the unknown actress, which we can rename if she is identified. The issue is that Eliza Pryor does not portray this character.

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    • We should always list the voice actors.  Motion capture is a little more tricky if if there is a different motion capture actor and voice actor.  

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    • I suggested a Darth Vader approach, but got met with resistance.

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    • That I concur with. The problem, of course, is that Emma Kendo's voice actress (along with others who die in the game) who die in the game are not known. But I have no problem with an unknown actress placeholder for her.

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    • As I have explained from the start, this is not the same as David Prowse and James Earl Jones. This is not the case of an actor still interacting with the rest of the actors. This is the case of a crew member providing character animations to assist the design team in making the characters move realistically. IMDb and Wikipedia do not consider motion capture to be part of the cast for this reason. When I explained this, I was met with insults.

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    • Gsbr wrote:
      As I have explained from the start, this is not the same as David Prowse and James Earl Jones. This is not the case of an actor still interacting with the rest of the actors. This is the case of a crew member providing character animations to assist the design team in making the characters move realistically. IMDb and Wikipedia do not consider motion capture to be part of the cast for this reason. When I explained this, I was met with insults.

      Don't even pretend to be innocent. Whatever explanation I gave, you outright ignored it. As far as I'm concerned, the insults were justified when you outright played ignorance on my edits.

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    • Dibol wrote:

      Gsbr wrote:
      As I have explained from the start, this is not the same as David Prowse and James Earl Jones. This is not the case of an actor still interacting with the rest of the actors. This is the case of a crew member providing character animations to assist the design team in making the characters move realistically. IMDb and Wikipedia do not consider motion capture to be part of the cast for this reason. When I explained this, I was met with insults.

      Don't even pretend to be innocent. Whatever explanation I gave, you outright ignored it. As far as I'm concerned, the insults were justified when you outright played ignorance on my edits.

      I responded to your Darth Vader explanation with the same explanation I provided here. You ignored it, like you are ignoring it here. Instead of listening to others' explanations, you choose to be disrespectful, insult, and double down on your disrespectful conduct.

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    • "This is the case of a crew member providing character animations to assist the design team in making the characters move realistically. IMDb and Wikipedia do not consider motion capture to be part of the cast for this reason. When I explained this, I was met with insults." 

      I'm going to have to agree with this statement above.  If for whatever reasons you guys haven't solved your disbute by tomorrow, I will lock all the RE2 and RE3 related pages for the time being.  

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    • Better off locking down since the edit warring started already. No one is backing down on this.

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    • Keeping the pages locked for now is a good idea. We can discuss what's best for the pages after this situation has calmed down.

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